Initial Posts from Rivers of Honey Facebook Wall
The ROH Underwear party seeks to address and affirm the body image of both womyn and non-conforming folks. Some have asked for this party to include men. The safety for those attending the show is our primary concern. Men will not be allowed in this party. Please, instead use your politically driven brilliance to fight for more pressing issues instead of compromising the safety of equally as brilliant women.Monday at 1:46pm
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- Jack Aponte The event posting says "For Womyn only," but this post says "womyn and non-conforming folks." This causes confusion about who's welcome and who's not, e.g. (gender) non-conforming can include trans men and genderqueer folks who are male assigned, but it doesn't sound like they're invited. The language should be more clear and more consistent!Monday at 2:00pm · 4 people
- Rivers-of HoneyGood point Jack Aponte! Sorry for the confusion. It seems we are having an issue with language.
For the sake of this conversation,
sex = body
gender = identity
sexual orientation = practice/behaviors.
To be clear, Rivers of Honey is for the daughters of Oshun.
We are for female-bodied people, regardless of their gender identity, or sexual practice, who want to embrace the "Oshun-inspired-woman" within them.
You are right about our consistency. We are taking steps to be more consistent and appreciate your feedback as we continue to grow.Yesterday at 1:06am
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Second thread beginning Tuesday 8/2/11:
It seems we are having an issue with language.
For the sake of this conversation,
sex = body
gender = identity
sexual orientation = practice/behaviors.
To be clear, Rivers of Honey is for the daughters of Oshun.
We are for female-bodied people, regardless of their gender identity, or sexual practice, who want to embrace the "Oshun-inspired-woman" within them.
Third thread beginning Wednesday 8/3/11
The Wow Cafe Theatre website says that "any woman and/or transgender person is invited," but the Rivers of Honey descriptions here on FB say that Rivers of Honey is for "female-bodied people." That language is usually understood to exclude trans women (and excludes a lot of other transgender people, too!) Does ROH have a different gender inclusion stance than WOW as a whole? Could we get some clarity? Thanks! about an hour ago · · · See Friendship
- Poster #5 I think at WOW the producer can decide who is invited Jack. ROH has an identity seperate than WOW. Why don't you go to the show and talk to ROH people in person if you have beef with the underwear party invites.27 minutes ago ·
- Poster #5 It's always better to talk in person than to argue on fb no? Lot's of hyperbole flying, but why not go in person?26 minutes ago ·
- Jack Aponte @Poster #5: I'm not arguing; I'm asking for public clarity on public statements. And I don't have beef with the underwear party invites; I'm asking about the language that's being used here to describe Rivers of Honey as a whole, not just that party.24 minutes ago ·
- Poster #5 And I'm telling you - go talk to and meet with Shawnta and Jaz and ROH people. They have specific reasons for doing things the way they do and again ROH is part of WOW but also a seperate collective now.22 minutes ago ·